User talk:Hewbert P. Edia

Welcome! Bawitdaba (talk) 17:02, May 20, 2023 (UTC)

Miraheze to be closed

Hello Hewbert, I'm just making you aware that Miraheze will be closing late this year (see announcement). Just making you aware that the wiki and all of its content has been safely backed up. Miraheze's successor, made by the the same people, is WikiTide. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:04, June 17, 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up Hewbert P. Edia (talk) 14:16, June 17, 2023 (UTC)

You're welcome. Also I saw that comment-out you made, I actually closed those wikis by personal decision & will have the ability to relaunch them someplace elsewhere if I desired. Sure, I could persevere with WikiTide route, but I'm personally not as up for such massive ambition. Bawitdaba (talk) 14:39, June 19, 2023 (UTC) Never mind, it's staying. Bawitdaba (talk) 01:50, June 20, 2023 (UTC)

Well that's nice, guess I might add more dumb stuff here sometime Hewbert P. Edia (talk) 06:49, June 22, 2023 (UTC)

Be my guest Bawitdaba (talk) 17:32, June 22, 2023 (UTC)

Mariopedia

Contrary to what some may think, I was not the founder of said wiki, but I am responsible for the styling, logo, url, and "Mariopedia" naming so that the site isn't called "Super Mario Wiki" like it used to be.

Between you and me (actually, they know this already, so it's not a problem) I think their jabs at Mario Portal can get ridiculous because some errors make them think that first-time English names like Moofish should be ignored simply because "unreliable" source can't separate the inconsistencies from the legitimate new names. It feels like pretense, and there's obviously influence behind the SMB Encyclopedia snowball.

Reason I brought this up is because I hope you don't think it's me making like the Mario Portal pages or others that could involve one's own headcanon (they work on a List of misconceptions page too). Bawitdaba (talk) 16:12, June 30, 2023 (UTC)

Yeah I've seen the wiki and it definitely feels like just a big middle finger to Super Mario Wiki (especially the List of misconceptions) but I mean it's kinda funny. And I know you didn't make it but when the userbase is like three people connected by blocks on Super Mario Wiki it's hard not to associate you with it so nothing against you there Hewbert P. Edia (talk) 07:21, July 4, 2023 (UTC)

Okay, so my response here is going to be pretty long:

First of all, I will say that at least you're brave enough to give us banned users the light of day. Whether you're a troll or legitimate, I find it incredibly commendable that you are brave enough to even give the outcasts the light of day, whatever your motives are. A few have dropped by Mariopedia who are not linked to bans (one assists MMLoreMaster in translations & another is a Donkey Kong gamer). As outraged as I was from permaban (not as much anymore; I'm actually flattered they think I'm too radical for their format :P), I would not take it as like an excuse to do everything the opposite of the Super Mario Wiki (I call 'em "Super Mergist Wiki" because they merge coverage on their 'partnered franchises,' merge massive SSB lists, and NSMBFan doesn't like how they handle some of the enemy species articles).

I hadn't talked to you around the time of my ban there. Basically, don't do something (or even a string of things) that is extremely irresponsible or stupid (e.g. imitating secret societies, posting slurs, cyberbullying, etc.) that can cost you your friends list. Even if you're going through a very hard time, doesn't matter; once you're thrown out, there's no love and forgiveness allowing you to return. I tend to be more forgiving than I seem, like I already forgive my former circle of friends for annexing my old brands from me.

More went on than they'll have you know about. The truth is that I secretly wanted out of Discord and the mainstream circles I was in, in part because I was fed up over ZW on Fandom (btw congrats on their independence so they can leave Fandom community alone now & no longer do a massive defiance of logic by pretending to be indie when they weren't on Fandom; one of the staff members there is a good person, although I won't name them here). This is when I decided I'd self-sabotage and ultimately manipulate everyone because I was like "F it, my home wiki doesn't care about this issue I'm going to do a big balls thing to see whether they care more for having a brand that looks like clean toilet paper or the old days where we could be enthusiastic gamers; no more fence sitting."

Before I go any further, I will need to tell you that for many years I did not understand how outrage worked. I thought you could just say a bad word and then a whole army of people would then get very upset. You will always upset the people whom you do not intend to. If bad people exhibit outrage, it's because they either want to get rid of you or they have an agenda that they want to preserve.

Okay, so I decided to leave Grifkuba at around March 2022. The community unanimously agreed to out me from leadership roles there. Shockwaves of what I did had already spread throughout. Why was I not immediately permabanned on SMW? Well, simply because it took this proposal to really seal it. They were already upset over me attempting to extend coverage, but the ZW proposal was the real nail in the coffin. (I was shown a screencap of one of the SMW 'crats demonizing me for wanting to extend scope/coverage due to a "hateboner;" they posted this around the same time as the ZW proposal, which the 'crat even mentioned in his statement about me.) Everyone involved knew it was a backroom deal because they did not want me to attempt to do any further moves to have SMW go off the rails and disband from NIWA, even if it would seem their membership is in-name only. One of the NIWA staff members already did not want alternative Zelda wikis linked and was unable to get them removed. Whether you love or hate NIWA or me, it's not difficult to put the two and two together.

P.S. Yes I did sometimes go after WT post-ban when he didn't want the SSB content removed. One could say I would have gone after the others in general. However, WT is a staff member, and I was like, "Bruh, you're literally staff member of a wiki that's part of a greater 'collective of wikis'; you literally rejected the true voice of reason against the madness of NIWA trying to dictate SMW policy on coverage. If you can't stand up to people who govern you, you don't deserve the SSB coverage." It's also because the idea of branching off a casual SSB wiki using SMW content was my idea, and it seemed like attempted theft. He wants a wiki the RMV way? He can't be expecting others to give it to him. Bawitdaba (talk) 15:25, July 5, 2023 (UTC)

The decision to change the Smash coverage had a lot more going for it than "NIWA trying to dictate SMW policy" (even I eventually changed my stance and prefer the way it's done now). Similar case with the interwiki links - the comment on your proposal was a perfectly valid point to bring up, and if they were under the impression that the links were added because Zelda Wiki wasn't independent, it logically follows that they would be removed after it got independence back (note that the proposer later attempted to cancel that proposal). Not sure why you're assuming some pro-NIWA anti-change conspiracy (or, uh, whatever you were talking about in that last paragraph) in these scenarios. Anyway, in all honesty I'm not sure what to think of you specifically anymore, I was just looking around at wikis you made/heavily influenced like Mariopedia and laughing at them (not necessarily laughing at you) and then I found the link here and the rest is history I guess? Hewbert P. Edia (talk) 16:54, July 6, 2023 (UTC)